1 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,069 --> 00:00:41,590 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,350 --> 00:00:44,079 into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:47,360 strap yourself even as we traverse the 5 00:00:56,110 --> 00:00:51,670 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,250 --> 00:00:56,120 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 7 00:01:04,749 --> 00:01:00,260 as well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:06,999 --> 00:01:04,759 take back the night last night now your 9 00:01:14,010 --> 00:01:07,009 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:18,880 item ok what's that crazy contraption 11 00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:20,810 you're working on I'm just just 12 00:01:25,990 --> 00:01:23,270 tinkering but simmer down and hand me 13 00:01:28,899 --> 00:01:26,000 that lug wrench over there will ya and I 14 00:01:33,969 --> 00:01:28,909 finally cracked the secrets of traveling 15 00:01:37,870 --> 00:01:33,979 back and forth through time mmm oh come 16 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:37,880 on that's really a creek that's just 17 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:41,180 crazy you're really losing it yeah I'm 18 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:43,880 almost finished here and we can both get 19 00:02:04,209 --> 00:01:46,130 into my time machine and head off into 20 00:02:07,149 --> 00:02:04,219 the void of time seems you've really 21 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:07,159 done it we seem to have traveled back in 22 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:11,870 time and here comes a big ass t-rex 23 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:16,640 ready to stop us into the ground let's 24 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:18,290 put the pedal to the metal and go 25 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:21,200 somewhere else I guess it's time to get 26 00:02:27,460 --> 00:02:24,440 out of here ok as long as you don't land 27 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:27,470 in the middle of Oh Custer's last stand 28 00:02:35,170 --> 00:02:32,120 or the the Battle of Bunker Hill here I 29 00:02:37,630 --> 00:02:35,180 say we head back to the KC our radio and 30 00:02:40,650 --> 00:02:37,640 Vegas where all we have to worry about 31 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:40,660 is finding ourselves inside area 51 32 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:43,310 surrounded by security guards with 33 00:03:00,699 --> 00:02:56,209 rifles Tim I guess we're back I guess 34 00:03:03,099 --> 00:03:00,709 we're back in my goodness so why am I 35 00:03:10,090 --> 00:03:03,109 wearing bell-bottoms well what year is 36 00:03:11,969 --> 00:03:10,100 this I got these uh puka shells around 37 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:11,979 my neck so I'm not quite sure 38 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:16,400 and both of our hair is really long like 39 00:03:22,659 --> 00:03:19,940 in 1970s maybe if we go through this 40 00:03:27,310 --> 00:03:22,669 door over there that says do not open 41 00:03:32,819 --> 00:03:27,320 we'll get back to the the modern modern 42 00:03:37,449 --> 00:03:35,080 yeah this looks familiar 43 00:03:39,729 --> 00:03:37,459 well let's let's settle down here at the 44 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:39,739 the microphone to how you're doing out 45 00:03:46,509 --> 00:03:42,440 there and Jasper regardless of whatever 46 00:03:52,170 --> 00:03:46,519 time period it is well I'm doing a great 47 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:52,180 Tim it's it's wonderful to be back on 48 00:03:59,830 --> 00:03:55,040 exploring the bazaar for another week 49 00:04:03,729 --> 00:03:59,840 and another fantastic guest and indeed 50 00:04:06,129 --> 00:04:03,739 it is so Tim well let's dive right in 51 00:04:08,170 --> 00:04:06,139 and tell us who we're going to be 52 00:04:10,210 --> 00:04:08,180 speaking with this evening I'm looking 53 00:04:13,210 --> 00:04:10,220 forward to it yeah well it's my pleasure 54 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:13,220 to him but tonight I'm very happy to 55 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:16,070 introduce dr. Michael P masters 56 00:04:22,540 --> 00:04:19,300 now dr. masters is a professor of 57 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:22,550 biological anthropology at Montana Tech 58 00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:23,930 in Butte Montana 59 00:04:29,650 --> 00:04:26,960 now dr. masters received a PhD in 60 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:29,660 anthropology from the Ohio State 61 00:04:36,340 --> 00:04:33,890 University in 2009 collectively dr. 62 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:36,350 masters background education and current 63 00:04:41,950 --> 00:04:38,810 research program combined to offer a 64 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:41,960 unique perspective and a novel approach 65 00:04:47,730 --> 00:04:44,210 to addressing unanswered questions 66 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:47,740 pertaining to a widely recognized yet 67 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:50,960 poorly understood aspect of modern 68 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:54,110 global culture his new book which we'll 69 00:04:59,250 --> 00:04:55,840 be talking about tonight it's called 70 00:05:02,740 --> 00:04:59,260 identified flying objects a 71 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:02,750 multidisciplinary scientific approach to 72 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:05,750 the UFO phenomenon this book challenges 73 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:09,050 readers to consider new possibilities 74 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:11,510 while cultivating conversations about 75 00:05:17,740 --> 00:05:14,210 our ever-evolving understanding of time 76 00:05:19,450 --> 00:05:17,750 and time travel so dr. Matthew masters 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:19,460 thank you very much for being with us 78 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:21,770 tonight on exploring the bizarre thanks 79 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:23,870 so much it's great to be here for you 80 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:24,800 guys having me on 81 00:05:30,370 --> 00:05:28,490 no our pleasure well you know how can we 82 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:30,380 really travel back in time or is this 83 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:34,280 just an illusion I mean I some day are 84 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:36,080 we going to get to the point where we 85 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:38,510 could possibly go into the future or 86 00:05:43,030 --> 00:05:40,730 into the past and which one would be 87 00:05:45,910 --> 00:05:43,040 easier if we had a pick a starting 88 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:45,920 report well going into the future is 89 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:47,930 definitely easier I mean we could do 90 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:50,750 that now and there's been in a number of 91 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:53,630 studies that have actually done so that 92 00:06:01,030 --> 00:05:56,060 have looked at the effects of high-speed 93 00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:01,040 motion and gravity and especially in 94 00:06:05,890 --> 00:06:03,680 reference to those that remain at rest 95 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:05,900 on earth we still experience gravity 96 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:08,510 here and that's a big part of it but 97 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:11,630 traveling at high speed relative to 98 00:06:15,700 --> 00:06:14,030 those who stay in a rest frame you can 99 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:15,710 travel into the future that was one of 100 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:19,990 I'm Stein's earliest contributions to 101 00:06:24,370 --> 00:06:22,550 that's not really time-traveling where 102 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:24,380 we're talking about what a minute here 103 00:06:29,020 --> 00:06:26,090 are there right I mean I'm talking about 104 00:06:29,950 --> 00:06:29,030 let's go a hundred years from now or a 105 00:06:31,779 --> 00:06:29,960 thousand years 106 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:31,789 well it'll take speed yeah it'll just 107 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:33,889 take speed we need to increase the rate 108 00:06:40,089 --> 00:06:37,250 at which we can travel linearly in a 109 00:06:41,260 --> 00:06:40,099 vector capacity and I don't think we're 110 00:06:42,490 --> 00:06:41,270 too far from that mean you'd still 111 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:42,500 notice that you're right it's a couple 112 00:06:47,860 --> 00:06:44,180 minutes here a couple minutes there but 113 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:47,870 if we were able to harness the power of 114 00:06:53,820 --> 00:06:49,910 electromagnetism and get past this 115 00:06:57,730 --> 00:06:53,830 ancient technology of rocket-propelled 116 00:07:00,010 --> 00:06:57,740 vector engines then I think we'd quickly 117 00:07:02,650 --> 00:07:00,020 see that we could travel very rapidly 118 00:07:03,939 --> 00:07:02,660 into the future it would be I think that 119 00:07:04,930 --> 00:07:03,949 would be the starting point to answer 120 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:04,940 your question where we could actually 121 00:07:12,249 --> 00:07:09,289 start to really work with time a little 122 00:07:16,629 --> 00:07:12,259 bit the people that went on this space 123 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:16,639 voyage for you know 5-10 minutes or five 124 00:07:20,589 --> 00:07:18,710 to ten years if they're really dedicated 125 00:07:22,089 --> 00:07:20,599 might come back to something entirely 126 00:07:26,740 --> 00:07:22,099 different than the culture they left 127 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:26,750 from well now you know we have the of 128 00:07:31,659 --> 00:07:28,550 course a lot of science fiction their 129 00:07:34,060 --> 00:07:31,669 books on time travel uh 130 00:07:38,110 --> 00:07:34,070 the the time machine is one that comes 131 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:38,120 to a mind yeah uh okay well we're 132 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:40,520 talking about time capsule here you're 133 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:43,870 talking about going off into space and 134 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:46,849 and at the speed of you know near the 135 00:07:50,950 --> 00:07:48,289 speed of light or certainly at high 136 00:07:53,589 --> 00:07:50,960 velocity how about the coming up with 137 00:07:55,689 --> 00:07:53,599 something that I can have in the like it 138 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:55,699 Tim and I were doing before I'm working 139 00:08:02,110 --> 00:07:57,440 on this little contraption here and I I 140 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:02,120 know it will take me somewhere else am i 141 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:06,530 hallucinating am i delusional or or is 142 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:09,800 somebody inventing something in that the 143 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:12,889 sword in their basement right now well 144 00:08:17,860 --> 00:08:14,930 no it's not gonna be something that we 145 00:08:19,450 --> 00:08:17,870 can create in a basement and I think 146 00:08:21,820 --> 00:08:19,460 there's a lot of reasons why we wouldn't 147 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:21,830 want everyday people to have that 148 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:29,830 but it's not it's not up to you right 149 00:08:35,889 --> 00:08:33,050 I'm saying a you say they they shouldn't 150 00:08:38,829 --> 00:08:35,899 have it but that doesn't say that some 151 00:08:42,310 --> 00:08:38,839 guy well now when I was in England in 152 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:42,320 the town of Bath okay there was a rumor 153 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:43,450 that 154 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:45,730 somebody was working on a time machine 155 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:48,250 it actually really worked and years 156 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:50,140 later I saw a video I don't know whether 157 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:53,200 it was on YouTube or where I don't know 158 00:08:57,690 --> 00:08:54,700 whether it was the actual experiment 159 00:08:59,550 --> 00:08:57,700 going on or or somebody recreated or 160 00:09:00,810 --> 00:08:59,560 maybe that's where somebody got the idea 161 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:00,820 that there was an actual experiment 162 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:02,590 going on is that they had seen the video 163 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:05,050 as well and thought that it was the real 164 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:08,130 thing you know I don't know I'm I'm 165 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:11,290 confused but you know we have a fellow 166 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:13,510 Tim remember we have a book actually I 167 00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:15,490 think out there how to build a time 168 00:09:21,510 --> 00:09:18,640 machine that Patricia Reese is that her 169 00:09:23,250 --> 00:09:21,520 name yeah wrote a number of years there 170 00:09:24,990 --> 00:09:23,260 for and there is a fellow out there do 171 00:09:29,010 --> 00:09:25,000 you remember his name well fan boom-lay 172 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:29,020 no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that he's 173 00:09:34,110 --> 00:09:32,320 been tinkering in his web I say his 174 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:34,120 basement it could be his garage with 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:37,930 some advice well what would we need to 176 00:09:42,030 --> 00:09:39,610 come up with something like that I mean 177 00:09:43,770 --> 00:09:42,040 okay you talk about you know traveling 178 00:09:46,890 --> 00:09:43,780 at high velocity but is there any other 179 00:09:49,290 --> 00:09:46,900 way to circumvent that and and come up 180 00:09:53,220 --> 00:09:49,300 with some other way of getting from here 181 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:53,230 to there yeah no I you you interrupted 182 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:55,120 me I wasn't saying that it's not 183 00:10:00,600 --> 00:09:58,330 possible for that Doby like some 184 00:10:02,730 --> 00:10:00,610 overarching body that keeps people from 185 00:10:05,370 --> 00:10:02,740 doing that what I was trying to say is 186 00:10:07,290 --> 00:10:05,380 that the amount of energy and the 187 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:07,300 technology in the material science and 188 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:09,250 the engineering that's involved in that 189 00:10:15,030 --> 00:10:12,400 will be prohibitive for nearly any 190 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:15,040 individual and probably even large 191 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:18,010 institutions if that's gonna happen it's 192 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:22,030 going to require it's probably national 193 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:24,880 governments or private industry in order 194 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:26,770 to be able to harness the energy 195 00:10:30,570 --> 00:10:28,240 necessary to do that it's going to be a 196 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:30,580 very difficult thing I wasn't saying 197 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:32,500 that there there won't be the 198 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:34,210 possibility that people can figure this 199 00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:36,370 out in their basement or you know make 200 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:38,560 models they do this but to actually bend 201 00:10:42,330 --> 00:10:40,210 space-time enough to travel into the 202 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:42,340 past that's gonna require a 203 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:43,630 collaborative effort it's gonna be 204 00:10:48,810 --> 00:10:45,910 something like the CERN Institute or the 205 00:10:50,790 --> 00:10:48,820 LIGO at first understand gravitational 206 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:50,800 wave so I well I wasn't saying that I 207 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:52,210 was just saying that it's going to be 208 00:10:54,990 --> 00:10:53,590 something that we like like the 209 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:55,000 International Space Station it's another 210 00:10:59,579 --> 00:10:56,529 great example where we've come to 211 00:11:02,550 --> 00:10:59,589 gather as a collective human society in 212 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:02,560 order to be able to really work toward 213 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:05,370 putting together the physics of this and 214 00:11:10,259 --> 00:11:08,290 that and possibly even anthropology 215 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:10,269 trying to understand what happens if we 216 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:12,160 go to the past and what could be the 217 00:11:16,319 --> 00:11:14,649 ramifications of that so so I think it's 218 00:11:18,030 --> 00:11:16,329 going to be a very large collaborative 219 00:11:20,009 --> 00:11:18,040 an expensive effort that'll be 220 00:11:24,299 --> 00:11:20,019 prohibitive for a lot of people that 221 00:11:26,699 --> 00:11:24,309 don't have access to the technology and 222 00:11:28,249 --> 00:11:26,709 the engineers and the energy necessary 223 00:11:31,079 --> 00:11:28,259 to actually pull it off 224 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:31,089 now I I've noticed here that your your 225 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:33,100 book you've written a book called 226 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:38,110 I identified flying objects it is is 227 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:40,209 there a connection between UFOs and time 228 00:11:46,139 --> 00:11:43,930 travel I think in in particular there 229 00:11:48,689 --> 00:11:46,149 are some people are of the thinking that 230 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:48,699 the object that landed in Rendlesham 231 00:11:56,069 --> 00:11:52,930 forest over in the UK the week of 232 00:12:00,079 --> 00:11:56,079 Christmas in 1980 might have been a time 233 00:12:03,449 --> 00:12:00,089 travel device any possibility of that 234 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:03,459 yeah Jim Penniston is the the main 235 00:12:09,629 --> 00:12:06,610 proponent of that he he claims to have 236 00:12:11,129 --> 00:12:09,639 had an experience and I think it's what 237 00:12:12,809 --> 00:12:11,139 do you argue is this very valid I 238 00:12:16,019 --> 00:12:12,819 actually talk about that a little bit in 239 00:12:18,749 --> 00:12:16,029 the book I learned of his experience 240 00:12:21,569 --> 00:12:18,759 very much toward the end of the writing 241 00:12:25,619 --> 00:12:21,579 process but I felt that it was important 242 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:25,629 because what he claims to have 243 00:12:30,809 --> 00:12:28,750 experienced in this encounter very much 244 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:30,819 dovetails with what I had been writing 245 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:33,480 about for the last seven years so having 246 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:37,809 two different approaches and and very 247 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:39,970 different reasons for investigating this 248 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:44,290 and and proposing this come together in 249 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:46,689 a way that backs each other up I thought 250 00:12:51,329 --> 00:12:47,889 was very important to put him in the 251 00:12:52,499 --> 00:12:51,339 book so yeah the the experience that 252 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:52,509 you're making reference to her in 253 00:12:56,549 --> 00:12:54,670 Rendlesham forest and like I said I 254 00:12:59,519 --> 00:12:56,559 discussed this a little bit in the book 255 00:13:03,650 --> 00:12:59,529 is that that he touched this thing and 256 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:03,660 it sent him all of this information in 257 00:13:08,939 --> 00:13:06,670 binary code I believe but it was yeah 258 00:13:10,380 --> 00:13:08,949 that we are from the future that we are 259 00:13:12,660 --> 00:13:10,390 time travelers from the future in the 260 00:13:14,130 --> 00:13:12,670 details that go along with that or 261 00:13:16,319 --> 00:13:14,140 almost even more interesting and more 262 00:13:18,829 --> 00:13:16,329 telling and I think the most exciting 263 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:18,839 part of it that they they demonstrate 264 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:21,970 that this really did happen and there's 265 00:13:28,530 --> 00:13:24,760 a lot of things that are really 266 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:28,540 indicative of the reality of that 267 00:13:36,660 --> 00:13:32,320 ability to travel back through time that 268 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:36,670 are mentioned in his account that that I 269 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:39,070 I put into my book because they they 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:41,200 came to get I'm really glad honestly 271 00:13:46,199 --> 00:13:42,730 that I learned of this at the very end 272 00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:46,209 because I I had written this around my 273 00:13:51,090 --> 00:13:49,360 own scientific background and the 274 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:51,100 research that I've done in modern 275 00:13:54,569 --> 00:13:53,050 physics and astronomy and a strobe ayala 276 00:13:57,389 --> 00:13:54,579 Qi and anthropology but having come 277 00:14:00,509 --> 00:13:57,399 across his account right at the very end 278 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:00,519 I it was mind-blowing to me 279 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:04,000 he received information in that moment 280 00:14:13,319 --> 00:14:08,350 that I I feel was was truthful and very 281 00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:13,329 valid now do you think it's necessary to 282 00:14:19,259 --> 00:14:16,959 have a device I'm thinking of offhand 283 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:19,269 some of these experiments that have been 284 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:24,790 done it like SR I they call it remote 285 00:14:30,329 --> 00:14:27,490 viewing and I know I've had some 286 00:14:33,780 --> 00:14:30,339 experiences my and myself it was 287 00:14:37,009 --> 00:14:33,790 certainly not of any great consequence 288 00:14:41,550 --> 00:14:37,019 where it's possible that I might have 289 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:41,560 slipped out of the body and a travel the 290 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:44,440 this room I'm being dramatic perhaps a 291 00:14:49,740 --> 00:14:47,860 time in space but I saw things and 292 00:14:54,509 --> 00:14:49,750 witnessed things that later turned out 293 00:14:56,670 --> 00:14:54,519 to be true now some people we thank you 294 00:14:59,220 --> 00:14:56,680 Tim remember we had on Ben 295 00:15:03,449 --> 00:14:59,230 our friend Ben over in England and you 296 00:15:06,810 --> 00:15:03,459 wrote that he wrote that art is actually 297 00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:06,820 a YouTube video on the lady over there 298 00:15:13,230 --> 00:15:10,000 who got in a quite a bit of trouble in 299 00:15:19,889 --> 00:15:13,240 fact she was I believe arrested under 300 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:19,899 the witchcraft right right this was 301 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:22,089 during world World War two where she 302 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:24,310 actually saw something 303 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:27,070 when the ship going down or about being 304 00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:30,160 torpedoed that nobody even knew about at 305 00:15:34,620 --> 00:15:32,940 the time it seems like there have been a 306 00:15:38,130 --> 00:15:34,630 precognition I mean where does 307 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:38,140 precognition stop and time travel it 308 00:15:45,329 --> 00:15:40,330 seems perhaps it's it's all part of the 309 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:45,339 same plan there or something yeah I 310 00:15:52,890 --> 00:15:47,710 think it's it's definitely important to 311 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:52,900 recognize consciousness as as something 312 00:15:57,150 --> 00:15:54,910 that's that's not bound by space-time 313 00:16:00,180 --> 00:15:57,160 and people have been struggling this for 314 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:00,190 for ages like what is what is the soul 315 00:16:04,890 --> 00:16:02,890 what is consciousness and we still have 316 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:04,900 a lot of unanswered questions related to 317 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:07,480 that way what is this thing that makes 318 00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:13,120 us animated that makes us alive and 319 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:16,150 clearly you can see the synapses firing 320 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:18,310 and the dendritic connections and the 321 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:20,500 brain and you can see the metabolism and 322 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:22,810 the energies and the metabolic rate but 323 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:25,810 there there seems to be something that 324 00:16:31,079 --> 00:16:28,570 transcends that too and if there is this 325 00:16:34,650 --> 00:16:31,089 energy associated with consciousness in 326 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:34,660 the mind and it's not bound by physics 327 00:16:40,460 --> 00:16:38,170 it's not bound by our material beam then 328 00:16:43,650 --> 00:16:40,470 yeah I absolutely think there could be 329 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:43,660 some sort of ability to transcend 330 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,150 space-time in that way I experienced 331 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:48,160 this very often in the form of deja vu 332 00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:52,330 where I see moments in my subconscious 333 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:55,030 of my dreaming state that eventually 334 00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:57,130 come true sometimes it's very long 335 00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:00,160 periods of time decades even but I still 336 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:02,320 remember the exact dream when it 337 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:04,000 happened even though I was a much 338 00:17:08,130 --> 00:17:06,550 younger human being but sometimes it'll 339 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:08,140 be a couple weeks later and it can 340 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:12,010 oftentimes be very intense at those 341 00:17:16,890 --> 00:17:13,660 times if it was a recent thing where I 342 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:16,900 just dreamt that often times I can 343 00:17:20,699 --> 00:17:18,760 predict what that person's gonna sakes 344 00:17:22,439 --> 00:17:20,709 it just happened it's not it's not a 345 00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:22,449 familiarity like oh I felt this before 346 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:25,870 it's the exact same thing that happened 347 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:27,850 however that also needs to be separated 348 00:17:32,610 --> 00:17:31,030 from the physical properties and 349 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:32,620 traveling backward in time and and 350 00:17:37,530 --> 00:17:34,210 that's what I really discussed in the 351 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:37,540 book is how we as future humans 352 00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:41,740 could harness the technology and the the 353 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:44,380 engineering the material sciences to be 354 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:47,530 able to bend space-time to create winter 355 00:17:51,210 --> 00:17:49,210 nose closed timelike curves by 356 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:51,220 reorienting light cones toward the past 357 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:54,850 in order to actually visit the past and 358 00:17:59,280 --> 00:17:57,490 in that I feel like those are two 359 00:18:03,150 --> 00:17:59,290 separate things almost that there is 360 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:03,160 this ability to exit our physical form 361 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,110 and remote remote viewing is one that I 362 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:07,600 think requires a lot of future study 363 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:09,850 it's really interesting and there there 364 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:12,310 is evidence of that and even early 365 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,200 stages of telepathy and many of these 366 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:16,480 things that are extraterrestrial 367 00:18:21,570 --> 00:18:18,280 descendants are reported doing all the 368 00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:21,580 time but the book mostly focuses on the 369 00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:24,760 the physical evidence ever since 370 00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:28,000 Einstein's 1915 paper on general 371 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:30,430 relativity and all of the solutions to 372 00:18:36,510 --> 00:18:32,950 his field equations how we might 373 00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:36,520 actually bend space-time to visit the 374 00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:41,500 past but I'm very interested how can we 375 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:43,660 do that well what I what I look at in 376 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:46,930 the book is the long history of research 377 00:18:54,690 --> 00:18:50,640 since that paper and almost everything 378 00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:54,700 centers on the rapid rotation of a 379 00:19:00,420 --> 00:18:57,910 highly energetic and or highly massive 380 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:00,430 object as equals mc-squared energy and 381 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:03,670 mass are essentially the same thing so 382 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:07,510 if you can create frame dragging or 383 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:09,370 what's known as the lens thering effect 384 00:19:15,030 --> 00:19:12,610 you're able to warp space-time and 385 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:15,040 reorient those light cones downward and 386 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:17,320 and what I mostly talk about in the book 387 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:21,340 is this aspect of biology where form 388 00:19:27,150 --> 00:19:23,710 follows function and if you look at the 389 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:27,160 form of these craft if you look at the 390 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:28,810 actual structure of them and what 391 00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:30,730 they're constantly reported doing 392 00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:35,190 it's a disk shaped entity rotating 393 00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:37,320 oftentimes at a high rate of speed 394 00:19:43,170 --> 00:19:40,590 oftentimes changing color changing its 395 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:43,180 position in the light spectrum most 396 00:19:46,260 --> 00:19:44,620 likely because of friction with the 397 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:46,270 atmosphere which indicates that's 398 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:50,170 rotating faster or slower so even even I 399 00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:51,460 highlight some studies 400 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:53,529 that have been done recently by Italian 401 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:56,830 physicists looking at that same effect 402 00:20:01,560 --> 00:19:58,690 being created by the earth which is a 403 00:20:03,450 --> 00:20:01,570 very small planet rotating very slowly 404 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:03,460 but they were still able to 405 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:05,950 quantitatively measure that frame 406 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:07,960 dragging affect the lens during effect 407 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:09,940 here on earth so if we could take 408 00:20:15,269 --> 00:20:12,370 something that was highly massive or 409 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:15,279 more likely highly electromagnetic as 410 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:17,980 the electromagnetic force is 10 to the 411 00:20:24,649 --> 00:20:22,750 40 x times stronger than gravity which 412 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:24,659 is not only most likely its propulsion 413 00:20:29,490 --> 00:20:27,490 aspects but also potentially this frame 414 00:20:32,399 --> 00:20:29,500 dragging effect if we were able to 415 00:20:35,310 --> 00:20:32,409 harness the electromagnetic force and we 416 00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:35,320 had almost every physicist will agree 417 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,169 that we're gonna have to combine our our 418 00:20:43,260 --> 00:20:41,200 understanding of modern physics and also 419 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:43,270 with with quantum mechanics which will 420 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:45,250 have to be unified theory at some point 421 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:47,230 but once once we get to that point yes 422 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:50,350 it's it's potentially very possible that 423 00:20:56,130 --> 00:20:52,330 we could start to piece these things 424 00:20:59,820 --> 00:20:56,140 together and most importantly the vast 425 00:21:01,950 --> 00:20:59,830 majority of physicists agree that there 426 00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:01,960 isn't really anything that prohibits 427 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:05,590 backward time travel and if it's not 428 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:07,210 strictly prohibited by the laws of 429 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:10,720 nature and we have these amazing minds 430 00:21:15,330 --> 00:21:13,510 that have given us the ability to talk 431 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:15,340 to each other through microphones and 432 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,990 the computers and the internet and all 433 00:21:22,139 --> 00:21:18,960 of the other amazing things we've done 434 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:22,149 potentially we could also solve that 435 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:24,010 mystery and so I highlight the long 436 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:25,960 history of research since Einstein's 437 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:29,830 1915 paper that seems to sort of point 438 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,570 us in that direction and indicates that 439 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:34,000 were on a track to be there at some 440 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:34,500 point 441 00:21:40,529 --> 00:21:37,990 now can we pick the period of time that 442 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:40,539 we wanted to go back to let me I like it 443 00:21:48,570 --> 00:21:44,890 Tim and I were being chased by a t-rex I 444 00:21:51,870 --> 00:21:48,580 mean we just stumbled upon that period 445 00:21:57,930 --> 00:21:51,880 by accident could we have selected 446 00:21:59,250 --> 00:21:57,940 somewhere else to to travel to well it's 447 00:22:01,200 --> 00:21:59,260 interesting that we started this 448 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:01,210 conversation with Jim peniston's 449 00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:05,290 experience because there is one thing 450 00:22:14,790 --> 00:22:10,000 in his description of that encounter 451 00:22:17,850 --> 00:22:14,800 that really stood out to me and it was 452 00:22:19,950 --> 00:22:17,860 that they told him that we can only go 453 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:19,960 so far into the past I forget the exact 454 00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,090 number but we could only go so far in 455 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:24,840 the past because we can't go fast enough 456 00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:29,590 and that was really telling because and 457 00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,420 again why I'm so glad I came across this 458 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:33,520 right before I finished up the book 459 00:22:38,790 --> 00:22:36,970 because I had already been writing about 460 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:38,800 all of this physics research in the 461 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:41,590 context of how you reorient those light 462 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:43,210 coulombs toward the past but one thing 463 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:45,310 that's missing from that is that it 464 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:47,500 takes you traveling at a very high rate 465 00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:50,650 of speed to travel into the future of 466 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:54,220 that past so it's that very first thing 467 00:22:58,350 --> 00:22:55,660 we started with in this conversation 468 00:23:00,090 --> 00:22:58,360 about creating that future time travel 469 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:00,100 or you're traveling at a high rate of 470 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:02,140 speed relative to the speed of light or 471 00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:04,810 what's known as some time dilation and 472 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:07,390 special relativity but it takes that 473 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:09,610 reorientation of your light cones toward 474 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:12,190 the past and traveling at a high rate of 475 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:15,070 speed to go into the future of that past 476 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:18,670 and and so when I when I read that I was 477 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:20,770 just my mind was blown I was like wow 478 00:23:26,370 --> 00:23:24,580 this might actually have some some legs 479 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:26,380 like that makes sense if they can only 480 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:30,010 travel so fast that limits how far they 481 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:32,470 can go into the past and then getting 482 00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:34,810 back to the future potentially that 483 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:36,670 doesn't involve any sort of rotation 484 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:39,070 potentially that's just traveling at a 485 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:41,610 high rate of speed and using that that 486 00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:45,130 time dilation effect to rewind time back 487 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:48,420 to the the future from which you left so 488 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,340 III think yes to some extent they'll be 489 00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:53,440 able to calculate those trajectories 490 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:55,720 they're gonna have to because I think 491 00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:57,250 it's science and they're gonna have to 492 00:24:01,200 --> 00:23:59,170 try to figure out what time period to 493 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:01,210 investigate and how to do it all right 494 00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,410 I'm gonna have to interrupt you here 495 00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:04,000 because we have to go to our bottom of 496 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:05,500 the hour break when we come back we'll 497 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:07,570 continue our conversation about time 498 00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:10,390 travel UFOs and other fun stuff on 499 00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:23,360 now back to exploring the bazaars with 500 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:25,950 two of the most electrifying researchers 501 00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:29,250 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 502 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:37,080 Lee and King Swartz and welcome back to 503 00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,940 exploring the bazaar on Tim Swartz 504 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,279 tonight we're talking with dr. Michael 505 00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,860 masters the author of the book 506 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:46,200 identified flying objects a 507 00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:48,570 multidisciplinary scientific approach to 508 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:53,820 the UFO phenomena and dr. masters the 509 00:25:00,799 --> 00:24:56,250 one of the parts of your book that I 510 00:25:04,879 --> 00:25:00,809 really enjoyed is where you were talking 511 00:25:07,749 --> 00:25:04,889 about a lot of of people who have had 512 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:07,759 you know say like close encounters with 513 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:12,450 UFO pilots while not all the time the 514 00:25:18,019 --> 00:25:14,940 majority of the sightings involve 515 00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:18,029 humanoid type creatures and you talk 516 00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:22,470 about you know how more than likely if 517 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:24,840 there was intelligent life that was able 518 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:26,970 to reach our planet through the vast 519 00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:29,610 distances of space they're probably not 520 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:31,620 going to look like us you know you're 521 00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:34,169 not going to see you know two arms two 522 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,830 legs yeah but but almost all the time 523 00:25:43,549 --> 00:25:39,720 when you hear about these accounts 524 00:25:45,249 --> 00:25:43,559 that's what people are describing is you 525 00:25:48,499 --> 00:25:45,259 know the beans coming out of these 526 00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:48,509 landed UFOs yeah no absolutely and I 527 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:50,279 think that's an important part of the 528 00:25:55,299 --> 00:25:52,529 equation to consider if and I've said 529 00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:55,309 many times if these reports are always 530 00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,980 elephant creatures or giant spider bears 531 00:26:02,749 --> 00:26:00,659 or something I never would have written 532 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:02,759 this book but the fact that they're 533 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:06,840 described in the exact terms of not just 534 00:26:11,869 --> 00:26:09,779 a primate but a human primate a hominin 535 00:26:15,139 --> 00:26:11,879 are specific lineage where we stood 536 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:15,149 upright and started walking on two legs 537 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:17,370 about six to eight million years ago 538 00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:18,090 like that 539 00:26:23,419 --> 00:26:19,830 really initiated a number of changes 540 00:26:26,030 --> 00:26:23,429 that make us unique among all animals on 541 00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:26,040 earth and the fact that 542 00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,190 we possess this uniqueness among every 543 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:31,440 other species like countless billions of 544 00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:33,450 species on this planet whether they're 545 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:34,800 in the ocean and they're floating 546 00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,260 they're swimming or they're in the air 547 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,120 and they're flying the ones that are 548 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:41,600 terrestrial that are walking on this 549 00:26:47,270 --> 00:26:44,750 surface that we have are almost 550 00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:47,280 ubiquitously quadrupedal but we're 551 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:49,800 bipedal we stood upright and that set in 552 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:51,930 motion a number of changes related to 553 00:26:58,340 --> 00:26:56,610 our brain size our facial size our the 554 00:27:00,500 --> 00:26:58,350 ability to use our hands which has been 555 00:27:02,420 --> 00:27:00,510 crucial for things like not just 556 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:02,430 building stone tools early on but the 557 00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:04,650 progression of culture and the ability 558 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,840 to type on computers new cell phones and 559 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:08,820 we take that for granted now but it 560 00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:11,610 really took our ancestors coming down 561 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:14,220 from the trees where the whole of 562 00:27:20,060 --> 00:27:16,980 primate evolution had taken place to be 563 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:20,070 able to do those things so yeah for that 564 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:22,650 to happen on another planet in a distant 565 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:25,410 solar system and most importantly still 566 00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:27,510 talking about time for that to happen at 567 00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:30,900 the same time as it did now and that 568 00:27:35,660 --> 00:27:33,240 they could find us and that they could 569 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:35,670 come here and all the different problems 570 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:38,130 with finding us and communicating with 571 00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,250 us knowing our languages and and having 572 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:43,500 had that same separate evolution with a 573 00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:46,350 different chemical structure gravity and 574 00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:48,270 climate distance from the Sun and 575 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:49,020 atmosphere 576 00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:50,940 it just seems extremely unlikely that 577 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,310 that would ever happen somewhere else at 578 00:27:57,970 --> 00:27:55,740 the same time as it did now here on 579 00:28:00,800 --> 00:27:57,980 earth and if you look at those past 580 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:00,810 evolutionary changes the things like the 581 00:28:05,150 --> 00:28:02,490 increased brain size what we call in 582 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:05,160 cephalization or increased roundedness 583 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:07,710 of the skull what we call neuro cranial 584 00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:11,970 globular T reduced face the upright 585 00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:14,940 walking the same number of digits on 586 00:28:20,150 --> 00:28:17,550 each hand and foot being tetrapods being 587 00:28:23,420 --> 00:28:20,160 pen adaptil all of these things are so 588 00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:23,430 characteristic of an earth species and a 589 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:26,040 hominin earth species that it just seems 590 00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:31,410 more logical to assume or propose and 591 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:33,750 them back up with evidence I guess that 592 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,690 they're actually us from the future well 593 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:38,640 and one of the other you know aspects 594 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:39,900 about the UFO 595 00:28:46,910 --> 00:28:43,110 is that there's been a number of 596 00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:46,920 different cases where you know these UFO 597 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:51,000 occupants seem to have a very almost 598 00:28:57,020 --> 00:28:54,810 intimate knowledge of the background and 599 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:57,030 even the future of the people that they 600 00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,970 that they end up talking to you know if 601 00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:01,440 a lot of these cases just seem to be 602 00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:03,420 random you know somebody's driving down 603 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:06,060 the road a UFO appears above them 604 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:09,000 they're taken on board and you know 605 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:11,310 these these creatures proceed to tell 606 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:14,430 them you know where tell the the witness 607 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:16,620 you know like where they were born you 608 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:18,750 know where they're going and that next 609 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:20,430 week you know their uncle bob is going 610 00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:25,050 to die in a car accident so and you know 611 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:26,760 and I've always asked this you know you 612 00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:28,410 know with other investigators you know 613 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:31,830 all right why would say like a scientist 614 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:34,170 from another planet here to you know 615 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:37,110 study the biology or whatever on our 616 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:39,530 planet would have this kind of knowledge 617 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:42,510 yeah and why would they care Oh David 618 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:45,330 exactly right right and how how would 619 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:46,710 they get that knowledge how would they 620 00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:50,010 know those things um yeah I know there's 621 00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:51,960 a lot of cases like that and the fact 622 00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:55,350 that there was the the flap during World 623 00:30:02,360 --> 00:29:57,500 War Two with all the Foo Fighters that 624 00:30:04,550 --> 00:30:02,370 they're seen most often around major 625 00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:04,560 historic and prehistoric sites that 626 00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:08,430 their founder and major periods in our 627 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:11,670 history both historic and prehistoric it 628 00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:14,930 seems to indicate that it's an aspect of 629 00:30:19,670 --> 00:30:17,160 investigating time and investigating 630 00:30:21,290 --> 00:30:19,680 humans and and that's definitely like 631 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:21,300 like what I do is I am an anthropologist 632 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:23,910 a biological anthropologist with the 633 00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:27,120 specialization in paleoanthropology and 634 00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:28,680 that's what we do is we study the past 635 00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:32,460 and there is absolutely no better way to 636 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:34,920 study the past then actually be there 637 00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:37,110 and be a part of it and we don't possess 638 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:39,080 that technology now but if we did 639 00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:41,730 there's there's so many digs I've been 640 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:44,070 on words just you're baking in the Sun 641 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:47,310 and there's mosquitoes everywhere you 642 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:49,290 still four hours to go and you're just 643 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:51,450 like what if we could just watch from 644 00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:53,730 the sky pick a couple of the 645 00:31:00,440 --> 00:30:56,880 up and and do a biomechanical 646 00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:00,450 examination and look at them and ask 647 00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:03,060 them questions maybe you know and and we 648 00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:04,200 would have the ability to do that 649 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:06,030 because we speak 650 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:11,310 a descendant language of their so in the 651 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:13,410 fact that that's what I would do as a 652 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:16,890 modern anthropologist and that's what 653 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:18,810 most of these reports describe is 654 00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:21,240 something very similar to that makes me 655 00:31:25,670 --> 00:31:22,920 again think that there could be a 656 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:25,680 connection there well and one of the 657 00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:27,330 things that that I've written about 658 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:29,670 myself when it comes to you know this 659 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:33,930 subject that you know UFOs could be time 660 00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:36,570 travelers is that really what better way 661 00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:41,480 to disguise yourself if you know you're 662 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:44,550 you know you live thousands of years in 663 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:46,230 the future and you have the ability to 664 00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:48,810 travel in the past you know from 665 00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:51,750 historical records that people were seen 666 00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:54,540 you know unidentified flying objects and 667 00:31:59,840 --> 00:31:57,080 talking to alleged you know alien 668 00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,850 creatures from that time period you know 669 00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:02,240 like hey we'll disguise ourselves as 670 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:05,820 these as these UFOs and if somebody does 671 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:08,370 happen to run across this hey yeah we're 672 00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:11,490 from Mazetti Reticuli yeah that's the 673 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:15,960 ticket yeah there's this big thing in 674 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:17,880 the UFO community right now about this 675 00:32:22,790 --> 00:32:20,820 information propagation and who's 676 00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:22,800 telling us what to try to get us off 677 00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:24,990 track but yeah you're right there's been 678 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:28,200 a number of those cases where people 679 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:30,710 were told were from this star this 680 00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:32,490 galaxy or whatever and that's not 681 00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:34,110 realistic you can't come from a 682 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:36,630 different galaxy with the speed at which 683 00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:38,310 they're traveling away from each other 684 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:43,020 it's just in any case um I think there's 685 00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:47,490 also something to be said for for why 686 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:49,140 they would do that and that's an 687 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:50,610 important question like if they were 688 00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:53,250 from a different planet wouldn't you 689 00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:56,430 expect them after a hundred years or 690 00:33:00,800 --> 00:32:58,380 thousands of years of traveling across 691 00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:00,810 the cosmos to get out and say hey we 692 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:03,540 just got here we're from this planet and 693 00:33:07,139 --> 00:33:05,970 and there would be a broad introduction 694 00:33:08,639 --> 00:33:07,149 and the 695 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:08,649 heads of state of different nations 696 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:10,599 would come out and introduce them and 697 00:33:13,829 --> 00:33:11,950 we'd all say wow we're not alone in the 698 00:33:16,409 --> 00:33:13,839 universe but but it's not like that's 699 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:16,419 picking people up and remote parts of 700 00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:19,089 you know the woods where there's nobody 701 00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,419 and and doing things that I would do as 702 00:33:28,169 --> 00:33:25,679 an anthropologist there a linguist or 703 00:33:30,419 --> 00:33:28,179 something or make or maybe things you 704 00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:30,429 wouldn't do in some of these case yeah 705 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:32,200 absolutely I wouldn't want to stick a 706 00:33:37,709 --> 00:33:34,089 probe up somebody's butt and take goop 707 00:33:41,339 --> 00:33:37,719 oh but there's a lot of information that 708 00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:41,349 can be gained from that too so so yeah 709 00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,440 the elusiveness of of this phenomenon it 710 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:46,919 it doesn't make sense in the context of 711 00:33:50,969 --> 00:33:49,330 extraterrestrials but it does kind of 712 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:50,979 make sense in the context of extra 713 00:33:55,159 --> 00:33:52,809 tempest drills and and what we were 714 00:33:58,769 --> 00:33:55,169 talking about during the break about not 715 00:34:00,930 --> 00:33:58,779 there's no there's no evidence really 716 00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,940 that we could disrupt the past or that 717 00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:03,519 we could change the future because it 718 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:06,489 the way that physicists understand it 719 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:08,770 and block time or landscape time anytime 720 00:34:13,379 --> 00:34:10,569 you travel back to the past from the 721 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:13,389 future anything you did back then is 722 00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:15,369 already a part of that future from which 723 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:18,399 you left it's already consistent within 724 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:20,409 those things so we don't have to 725 00:34:24,779 --> 00:34:22,569 necessarily worry about messing up the 726 00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:24,789 future change in the future pushing us 727 00:34:30,299 --> 00:34:27,250 into an alternate universe or reality 728 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:30,309 but you could still understand why at a 729 00:34:34,109 --> 00:34:32,529 time when people still conceptualize 730 00:34:36,839 --> 00:34:34,119 them as beings from a different planet 731 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:36,849 me as you said feed us this information 732 00:34:42,059 --> 00:34:39,010 sort of disinformation thing that we 733 00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:42,069 would still not quite be ready to to 734 00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:43,629 understand that maybe it's our future 735 00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:47,139 brethren well now if we travelled into 736 00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:49,750 the past or into the future would be 737 00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:52,750 would we be visible to the people of 738 00:34:58,559 --> 00:34:55,839 that time since we really didn't exist 739 00:35:00,529 --> 00:34:58,569 and also a second part of that question 740 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:00,539 what do you think about some of these 741 00:35:06,510 --> 00:35:03,609 some suppose a time distortions on that 742 00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:06,520 YouTube where people from one period of 743 00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,279 time show up elsewhere one woman 744 00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:11,440 supposedly carrying a cell phone in her 745 00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:14,440 hand and and talking on it but yet she's 746 00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:18,220 not living in the time when cell phones 747 00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,080 had been invented yet 748 00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:22,880 ya know those are those are great 749 00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:24,680 questions the the first one kind of 750 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:26,540 Arkans back to what we were talking 751 00:35:33,790 --> 00:35:30,110 about earlier like the the consciousness 752 00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,800 and the way in which we can move about 753 00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:36,320 space-time with our consciousness 754 00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:38,870 however that is measured and I'll be the 755 00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:40,550 first to admit we haven't measured he 756 00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:42,680 hit so I actually don't talk about that 757 00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:44,390 in the book just because of that I try 758 00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:47,180 to keep the book really centered on what 759 00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:49,550 we can know and what we can't know and 760 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:52,700 unfortunately we don't yet have a lot of 761 00:35:59,650 --> 00:35:56,650 knowledge about these more ethereal 762 00:36:01,330 --> 00:35:59,660 consciousness base time-travels types of 763 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:01,340 things I'd love to work on that in the 764 00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:06,560 future but but the physical aspects of 765 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:08,360 it yes you would see them you would see 766 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:11,450 us if we did it because the main 767 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:14,930 takeaway here is that you separate your 768 00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:17,330 own localized reference frame from 769 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:21,020 global space-time that if you're say in 770 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:23,030 this particular instance spinning this 771 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:26,600 highly energetic electromagnetic disc 772 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:28,850 around and you're reorienting light 773 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:30,530 cones toward the past and then traveling 774 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:32,570 at a high rate of speed through space in 775 00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:34,730 order to visit the past what you're 776 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:36,620 doing is separating your position 777 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:39,650 space-time from those of the global 778 00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:41,600 space-time that you left and then 779 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:44,630 rejoining it at that place when you get 780 00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:47,090 out however you calculate that I think 781 00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:49,580 we're probably hundreds or thousands of 782 00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:51,080 years away from being able to calculate 783 00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:53,630 how that works so so yeah you would be 784 00:36:57,790 --> 00:36:55,670 there you would actually be a part of 785 00:37:00,130 --> 00:36:57,800 the past and and physicists have talked 786 00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:00,140 a lot about what if you visit yourself 787 00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:03,560 in the past what if you show up as an 788 00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:07,640 older adult visiting a child that's you 789 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:09,800 in the past what what they know for 790 00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:12,290 certain is that when you grow up to be 791 00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:15,620 that adult you will go back in time to 792 00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:17,150 visit yourself in the best if that 793 00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:19,400 exists in the past it will exist in the 794 00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:21,460 future and that's the self consistency 795 00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:23,870 inherent in this it's referred to as the 796 00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:26,440 Nava cough self-consistency principle 797 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:28,700 but to get to your second question about 798 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:31,690 the pictures ever since I started 799 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:34,250 talking about this and interacting with 800 00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:34,910 people I've 801 00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,369 so many people send me these types of 802 00:37:41,049 --> 00:37:38,960 pictures that you're making reference to 803 00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:41,059 and and they're really interesting they 804 00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:44,660 really are I'm honestly not in a 805 00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:46,430 position to say whether they're real or 806 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,390 fake but if if we do that this is what I 807 00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:52,160 will say if we do get to the point where 808 00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:54,710 we have the ability to travel back in 809 00:38:01,930 --> 00:37:59,180 time this this comes up I've talked 810 00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,940 about this with many people and they're 811 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:03,200 always like well it sucks that we're 812 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:05,930 gonna have to wait to know because it is 813 00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:07,970 a testable theory it's gonna suck to 814 00:38:12,279 --> 00:38:10,759 wait to know if like when we can test it 815 00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:12,289 when we get to that point that we're 816 00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:14,150 doing this and I tell them not 817 00:38:19,809 --> 00:38:16,940 necessarily because if we are travelling 818 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,819 back from the future to the past they 819 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:21,680 could fill us in on this at any point 820 00:38:26,259 --> 00:38:23,529 they could also be picking people up 821 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:26,269 from any point in the future that they 822 00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:27,890 wanted to and there are those reports to 823 00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:30,440 where you have the big-headed small face 824 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:35,750 large-eyed bipedal humanoids that also 825 00:38:40,299 --> 00:38:38,210 there's a guy in a suit in the corner 826 00:38:42,249 --> 00:38:40,309 and he's just writing stuff down and 827 00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,259 taking notes he looks very modern human 828 00:38:47,170 --> 00:38:44,480 but with all of these future humans and 829 00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:47,180 that's a very real scenario in the 830 00:38:51,549 --> 00:38:49,339 context of backward time travel at some 831 00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:51,559 point in the distant future so yeah if 832 00:38:55,930 --> 00:38:53,569 it was a point in the not-too-distant 833 00:38:58,329 --> 00:38:55,940 future where they still looked like us 834 00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:58,339 and they had technology that was 835 00:39:02,410 --> 00:38:59,960 advanced beyond our own but not that 836 00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,420 much more advanced perhaps they could 837 00:39:06,759 --> 00:39:04,880 hitch a ride with someone from the 838 00:39:08,049 --> 00:39:06,769 distant future and it's the same way 839 00:39:11,799 --> 00:39:08,059 looking backward what I tried to do in 840 00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:11,809 this book a lot is look at how look at 841 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:13,640 it from their point of view from our 842 00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,500 current point of view the meaning the 843 00:39:18,460 --> 00:39:17,119 future humans point of view from our 844 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:18,470 point of view if we could do this now 845 00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:21,170 and we went back 200 years in the past 846 00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:23,660 and we had our cell phones and we had 847 00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:25,460 our golf clubs and whatnot they would 848 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:28,430 see us as different but it's not gonna 849 00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:30,170 be like if we took that cell phone and 850 00:39:33,999 --> 00:39:32,390 golf clubs back 200 thousand years in 851 00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,009 the past or two million years in the 852 00:39:38,859 --> 00:39:35,839 past it's gonna be a very different 853 00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:38,869 experience so yeah I think you know 854 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:41,960 maybe maybe some of those could 855 00:39:46,180 --> 00:39:44,450 potentially be real but I I'm not in a 856 00:39:47,710 --> 00:39:46,190 position to say whether they are not but 857 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:47,720 just just looking at the holistic 858 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:48,810 aspects of 859 00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:51,030 and how time travel would work at 860 00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,470 whatever point in the future were able 861 00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:54,540 to do it there is the potential for that 862 00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:00,060 to be real now how did you decide or why 863 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:03,660 did you decide to to write this book and 864 00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:07,980 have those fellow Associates of yours 865 00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,950 with academic degrees and so forth I 866 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:13,320 mean do they think that you might be 867 00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:15,810 operating on the on the fringe or are 868 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:18,600 they accepting of some of your theories 869 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:23,310 and concepts um yeah I mean they're not 870 00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:27,330 really I guess I've written a book 871 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:29,550 almost to the point that it's not really 872 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:33,570 my concepts it's our modern 873 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:35,690 understanding of anthropology and 874 00:40:40,340 --> 00:40:37,650 astrobiology and physics and astronomy 875 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:40,350 that are just brought together to back 876 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:44,910 up this idea so it's hard for them to 877 00:40:50,570 --> 00:40:48,410 read it and then just think that I'm 878 00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:50,580 speculating about things or I'm saying 879 00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:52,680 things because they're there is this 880 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:54,110 idea the idea that we're 881 00:40:58,330 --> 00:40:56,010 extraterrestrials that were coming from 882 00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,340 the future to the past and that this UFO 883 00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:00,720 phenomenon can be explained as such but 884 00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:03,660 I'm also not just making claims that 885 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,310 can't be backed up by something I think 886 00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,160 that's a really important thing not just 887 00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:11,040 about this book but about ufology in 888 00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:13,560 general is that we need to start doing 889 00:41:18,110 --> 00:41:15,270 that more we need to get away from the 890 00:41:21,350 --> 00:41:18,120 speculation and just have an honest 891 00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,360 conversation what can we know and what 892 00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:24,240 can we not know and what I'm trying to 893 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:27,270 do did you did you ever have a UFO 894 00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:30,780 experience no no I haven't unfortunately 895 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:33,540 um this all started because my father 896 00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:35,250 had one before I was born 897 00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:37,560 oh there you go okay well tell us about 898 00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:40,230 that a little bit well he is a 899 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:43,400 veterinarian in a very rural part of 900 00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:46,110 Northeast Ohio and Amish country where I 901 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:50,940 grew up and he was out with a colleague 902 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:55,650 and so that adds a little credibility to 903 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,450 extort to individuals that witness the 904 00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,280 same thing and he actually radio at it 905 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:02,720 back so my mother who 906 00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:05,090 took care of the radios and the call ins 907 00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:07,220 and communicating with them so there's 908 00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:10,670 three people technically but yeah was 909 00:42:16,690 --> 00:42:13,310 your is your standard IFO encounter this 910 00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:16,700 glowing ball of light was they came over 911 00:42:23,350 --> 00:42:19,310 the crest of the hill and I was sitting 912 00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:23,360 over on the next horizon and they saw it 913 00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:27,320 as a very bright glowing orb there's not 914 00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:29,000 a lot of lights in Amish country I don't 915 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:30,950 know if you've ever had the chance to 916 00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:33,050 visit but it's very dark and that's one 917 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:35,390 of its beauties is that you can see so 918 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:39,410 many stars in any case um it it they 919 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:40,970 stopped and like what is that I don't 920 00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:42,050 know what is that and all of a sudden 921 00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:44,900 shot toward them and sad about a hundred 922 00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:48,200 meters from their truck for a short 923 00:42:53,530 --> 00:42:49,700 period of time shot back across the 924 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:53,540 horizon and then he recalls it just 925 00:42:58,350 --> 00:42:56,330 darting straight up into the sky and and 926 00:43:02,050 --> 00:42:58,360 I remember hearing him tell that story 927 00:43:03,970 --> 00:43:02,060 when I was 8 years old and that in 928 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:03,980 itself kind of piqued my interest but 929 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:07,130 then he bought the book communion by 930 00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,810 whitley strieber who i'm sure most of 931 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:11,200 your listeners are familiar with and 932 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:14,210 that just seeing that image on the cover 933 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:17,980 of the book kind of spurred this this 934 00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:21,650 image in my head that i have kind of 935 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:24,260 turned into a logo i guess of this early 936 00:43:29,770 --> 00:43:26,810 hominin former chimpanzee lake form a 937 00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:29,780 modern human and then a this 938 00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:32,900 quintessential archetypal alien form on 939 00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:37,540 the cover of strivers book and i just 940 00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,390 started a lifelong journey toward trying 941 00:43:45,850 --> 00:43:44,000 to understand whether or not there could 942 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:45,860 be a connection and and obviously you 943 00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:47,300 know i talked about this early on in the 944 00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:48,380 book there's the potential for 945 00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:50,540 confirmation bias on that that i could 946 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:52,100 just be looking for things that back 947 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,690 this up because i thought about it when 948 00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:56,800 i was 8 but as a scientist i'm very 949 00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:00,800 aware of biases and really go out of my 950 00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:03,080 way to to present the counterpoint to 951 00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:04,780 everything to like here's what we know 952 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:07,310 here's the dissenting opinions a big 953 00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,570 part of it in the book is Stephen 954 00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,880 Hawking's dissenting opinions he hated 955 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:12,800 the idea of backward time travel and he 956 00:44:19,330 --> 00:44:15,910 went out of his way to 957 00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:19,340 present hypotheses and conjectures about 958 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:22,280 why it might not be possible at any 959 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:25,570 point in our future and one of us is 960 00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,570 most well known as the chronology 961 00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:32,480 protection conjecture which is something 962 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:35,660 people can look up because it's really 963 00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:37,010 interesting that's very interesting to 964 00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:38,870 read about you know I I don't I don't 965 00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:41,630 mean to interrupt you about work closing 966 00:44:47,140 --> 00:44:43,430 in on the end of the program and I do 967 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:47,150 want to let people know how they can get 968 00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:48,530 in touch with you where they can find 969 00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,110 the book it was the title once again and 970 00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,880 what you might be doing into the future 971 00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:55,280 so give us a little information on that 972 00:45:00,310 --> 00:44:57,160 if you have a website or whatever oh 973 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:00,320 yeah there is a website I guess it's an 974 00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,930 obscure website name is it turns out but 975 00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:04,880 it's just an abbreviation of the book 976 00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:11,590 title I to fly a bomb ID FL y obj calm 977 00:45:17,470 --> 00:45:14,780 and there's links to Facebook and 978 00:45:20,770 --> 00:45:17,480 Twitter there's also a contact page and 979 00:45:22,750 --> 00:45:20,780 it's been really great I get up to work 980 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:22,760 in the morning to my office and I get a 981 00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:25,370 lot of emails and messages from people 982 00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:27,950 and all of those different formats so 983 00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:29,240 it's been really great avenues 984 00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,790 discussions but there's also a link I've 985 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:34,400 got some speaking engagements coming up 986 00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:37,970 I just booked the MUFON MUFON 50th 987 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:43,520 anniversary today and the international 988 00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:46,850 UFO Congress in Phoenix later I think 989 00:45:53,290 --> 00:45:49,820 it's in September early September the 990 00:45:55,450 --> 00:45:53,300 UFO festival in McMinnville Oregon oh 991 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:55,460 yeah yeah we're gonna have Tim mark 992 00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:56,690 we're gonna have somebody on to talk 993 00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:02,240 about that yeah early next month I'll 994 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:04,670 just be in that Endor area for that one 995 00:46:10,180 --> 00:46:06,650 my agent didn't get in touch with them 996 00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:10,190 in time yeah it's actually give us a day 997 00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:12,260 give us the name of the book again it's 998 00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:14,470 identified flying objects a 999 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:17,150 multidisciplinary scientific approach to 1000 00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:20,810 the UFO phenomenon and it's just a very 1001 00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:24,620 conservative holistic scientific 1002 00:46:29,530 --> 00:46:26,750 approach to trying to get some answers 1003 00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:29,540 to this and and I bet we could 1004 00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:32,870 on Amazon it's on Amazon Barnes & Noble 1005 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:35,150 Kobo I did an audiobook which has been 1006 00:46:40,810 --> 00:46:37,970 popular there's a lot of there's a lot 1007 00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:40,820 of scientific jargon and I do try to 1008 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:42,380 explain it so even if somebody had the 1009 00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:44,570 paperback they wouldn't feel burdened by 1010 00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:47,000 the jargon but it is a scientific book 1011 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:48,860 and I think the audiobooks been popular 1012 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:51,650 because it can just be explained without 1013 00:46:58,510 --> 00:46:54,170 having to read through it so yeah it's 1014 00:47:00,720 --> 00:46:58,520 on Apple iTunes it's on audible wherever 1015 00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,730 you can find books online basically oh 1016 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:03,440 okay well I also I want to mention that 1017 00:47:09,490 --> 00:47:06,410 Tim Timmy Schwartz has done a book it's 1018 00:47:16,170 --> 00:47:09,500 a time-travel factor fiction is that the 1019 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:16,180 name that yes yeah and also okay and 1020 00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:19,850 that's on Amazon of course and the 1021 00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:24,190 archives in the show are available in 1022 00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:28,070 illustrated form at our YouTube site 1023 00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:31,700 which would be mr. UFOs secret files 1024 00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:36,560 were Tim and I become cartoon characters 1025 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:40,160 thanks to Peter Bernard 1026 00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:42,770 our producer of the program and I want 1027 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:45,380 to thank you for being on with us this 1028 00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:48,530 evening and we've learned a lot but it's 1029 00:47:59,710 --> 00:47:52,430 time to travel into the future and till 1030 00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:02,630 you've been listening to exploring the 1031 00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:05,790 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley 1032 00:48:11,570 --> 00:48:09,300 panting Swartz they're taking back the 1033 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:11,580 nights by jetting non-stop across the 1034 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:14,130 cosmos in search of the truly bizarre 1035 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:17,430 and totally unexplained with you as 1036 00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:18,890 their combined 1037 00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:21,590 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1038 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:26,040 10:00 p.m. Eastern and the K cor digital 1039 00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:27,290 radio 1040 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:29,870 for more information on exploring the 1041 00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:33,170 bazaar and hosts Timothy Becky and Tim 1042 00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:36,020 Swartz check out their kco our digital 1043 00:48:45,340 --> 00:48:39,110 radio network follow their YouTube 1044 00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:45,350 channel @m r UFO 1100 explore the